Humanity is in an infant state. We've talked about this many times. He deceived me..." Jon: Which is true. He lowered his branch so the boy could reach it. Good job. And then the serpent say, "You won't die die. Ulmus Parvifolia planted in Stratacell system just over 12 months ago. So in that sense, the snake was telling the truth. I'm going to know what is good and what is bad, what kind of things will build up and what kind of things will destroy. This is very important. But indulge me for a second. After many years, the Gardner returned. Tim: Because it's their blame-shifting that's highlighted. Tree of Life Q+R #1. It does not say that. January 3rd, 2020 . But what is it like for just something to click on all of a sudden, it's like, I don't know good from bad like a child, and now all of a sudden, I'm like Elohim? Now, the tree of life and the tree of knowing good and bad... Jon: They're both there. As the morning light chased away the darkness, a young Gardner sat on a quiet hillside gazing down into a valley. Tim: And this is where I might be pondering the story for the rest of my life. Now their otherness becomes a sense of alienation and division. Jon: Another thing is there's something very corruptive about eating of this tree where it's not like God can say, "Hey guys, bad idea. Those two trees started growing next to each other, and at times it probably felt like they were fighting each other, competing for water or sun or space to spread their branches. Respond to the test. Yay for eBooks! “Those children are not being careful,” thought the first tree. But more often, it's just, "Man, there's two routes. Two books about trees pretty much tell the story of why we’re in the mess we’re in. In addition, he is not locked into producing and giving out of a need for external gratification. Jon: It's the ability to be able to creatively use wisdom? The fourth pillar, the art of being self assertive, suggests that we must think and live life for ourselves. In a pouch she carried two small seeds. We’ll back to health. So that's a way they're different from the other human in history and in the story. It would be a curse to have eternal life for that kind of creature. Genesis 2:15-17 But I take it without knowing it. That's the image here. In part one (0:00-14:00), Tim and Jon recap the conversation so far. Because good and bad doesn't just mean philosophical morality. He wants to make them know what is good and evil but on His clock not by their covetous desire. I think that will be a pretty, sweet smelling necklace.”. No, here's what God knows. Tim: That's right. My thought is, "Yeah, that really does help explain the human condition. “Don’t pick so many,” scolded the first tree. Jon: I think shrewd is neutral. But what the knowing of good and bad did, especially because they took it in a way that God told them not to take it, the first negative consequence is they realize their otherness from each other. That's an inference. Well, if the point is to say, "Can humanity fulfill its calling in its current mode of existence?" A Tale of Two Trees. 1hr 8m, –  The Gardner approached the second tree. The first tree is not living his own life. And let's say that Adam and Eve responded correctly. So what nobody does in the story is say "I did it and I'm sorry." Jon: But is there some sort of then conversation you said about there was a chance for repentance? From her canteen, she poured some water into each hole to help the seeds start growing. Next week, we're going to continue to talk about trees. And then you get the outbreak of violence which leads to the flood. I want you to eat eat. I work harder than them. Her visit today was special. Tim: Yeah. Jon: They're paired. It's a wonderful friend that I've had since childhood and it's just awesome. Jon: He's crafty. ", Tim: Yes, that's right. The Two Trees were apparently of enormous stature, and exuded dew that was a pure and magical light in liquid form. Although her hair was nearly white, he recognized the same tenderhearted Gardner he knew from so long ago. It's also about me and my failures and how my failures participate in the whole human species failure as far back as we can tell. The tree in the centre forecourt was planted using the Stratacell™ suspended pavement system while the two trees near the sidewalk were planted in … They have the next generation within them. Welcome, especially to the story of Moses. There are some things to note: both trees were deliberately unguarded because God intended to give humans the gift of the knowledge of good and evil, good and evil is God’s most important principle, hence the Tree which leads to the Tree of Life – further proof of the importance of good and evil is: righteousness of Abraham, the violence and evil of the Biblical Flood generation of humans, the … Within this protected space, this orchard planted in the delightful region, are two trees that are central (quite literally) to our story. The second tree realizes that it has much more to offer than just fruit. May 13, 2014. That helps me understand how I keep failing my test. It has a calm sense of self that is evident with true self-esteem. Which starts makes you think, "This is more than just your average snake." Thank you for that correction. That's the dynamic at work. Tim: Why is God coming asking questions? The trunk suddenly cracked, causing the tree to fall across the road, crushing a car and killing the parents of two young children who were sitting in the back seat. Or human kings can be depicted as sacred trees. So to not no good and bad also means I've never had anything bad happen to me. On the surface, “The Esteemed Trees” tells the struggles of an ornery tree and a happy tree growing together on a hillside. The second tree thought, “Wow, I’ve never seen anything like this! And if you go into the temple, you see imagery of the garden and of fruit tree and the cherubim and all that. Genesis 3:22 Our theme music comes from the band Tents. God's pointing me towards life." “Where is the Gardner? “Knowing good and bad” is used elsewhere in the Bible to talk about children in moral infancy. It's another way they're similar. Romans 6:23 (NLT) 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of … Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked. What actually happened? Tea trees will produce leaves during Spring, Summer, and Fall season but not in Winter. Israel’s obedience to the covenant with God is compared to life and death: “So choose life” (Deuteronomy 30:19). But then you get into situations and you have some choices to make. The dirt creature isn't in a mode to pass the test or the dirt creature as presently, what you need is a dirt creature who's infused not just with the life-breath of God, but with the very life presence of God Himself, a divine human. And used it for making the point that the use of the word "arum" is not negative. That's where I'm at. She should bring me a drink.”, “It is hot and I am very thirsty,” the second tree thought, “I will push my roots deeper into the ground and find water.”. And those choices could affect your friend - maybe what you do with the money may split up resources or how you apportion vacation time off. Jon: So trees were a big deal. A Tale of Two Trees. So it's doing both. Tim Mackie. “I’m sure glad my apples are enjoyed by everyone,” he said to himself. And it's where His throne is. They were destroyed by the evil beings Ungoliant and Melkor, but their last flower and fruit were made into the Moon and the Sun. It's beautiful. Jon: At this point in the narrative you're kind of like, "Uh." How to Read the Bible: The Books of Solomon, The Tale of Two Trees A Tale of Two Trees. At last, the day came when the two little seeds became two little trees. Tim: Well, what he says is "Your eyes will be opened," meaning you'll be like Elohim knowing good and bad. It means responsibly making moral decisions and being responsible for them, which is a good thing. They both knew that blossoms grow into apples! God plants a bunch of trees. Tim: But usually they are invisible in the moment. “I’ll be so proud of the juicy red apples you make.”. The Tale of Two Trees Adrian Rogers Genesis 2 Genesis chapter two, and verse fifteen, "And the Lord God took the man and put him into the Garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. I don't have to earn eternal life, it's already a gift to me, but I can forfeit my chance and access to it by choosing my own knowing of good and bad. There's wilderness and nothing cultivated, and God plants the garden. So these two trees are intertwined. The Gardner tells the first tree she will be proud of his apples. The second tree watched a little girl make a flowery necklace out of his blossoms. So then we're to the moment of God said no, but is that implied in the narrative that what He means is not yet. That was the command. Jon: And the tree of knowing good and bad, it was there too. It seems like that would be a good thing for me to have. Share. The two became one. The tree of good and bad is a warning about forfeiting what God has already given. It doesn't say "if you eat from the trees of knowing good and bad I will kill you." The command is eat from all the trees which includes that one in the middle - the tree of life. 1 - The Two Men. Because it's not a reward. To me that gives a helpful retro commentary on the tree. I guess I've always pictured the tree of life as the prize at the end. That's always the choice. By Mel Stone. And so it's about living in connection with God. This is awesome!”. Indian Rocks Baptist Church. The Gardner searched the hillside and found a safe place for two little trees. Except there's one tree they're forbidden to eat fruit. In February 2011, two different tree pits were planted at the same time with the same tree species (Chinese Elm) at the Ashfield Civic Centre in Sydney, Australia. The thing that he asked them to do was to enjoy eternal life. “That pesky wind will blow away all my blossoms!” He gripped the tiny flowers. That God planted it. This choice between life and death is played out in Genesis 3 with Adam and Eve and in Genesis 4 with Cain and Abel. Jon: God plants the garden. Okay, yeah, thank you. It feels not a test I would want give anyone. The second tree continued to smile, laugh, and play with all the visitors to the beautiful hillside. We believe the Bible's a unified story that leads to Jesus. She imagined tiny seeds as large apple trees. Jon: The pattern is being in front of a tree, and having a choice of how you're going to find wisdom. Jon: It's not kicking you out because you didn't say sorry. In addition, we see how common parenting techniques affect the self-esteem of our children. The first tree continued working hard making apples. But David looks at his life of failures and says, "It's like I was born a failure here." 1hr 5m. 50m, –  “The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem” by Nathaniel Branden explains the development and effects of self-esteem. Today I set before you life and good, blessing and curse and death. Jon: In the middle of this which then you would realize it's kind of like the top of the mountain is the tree of life? Tim: Wisdom wisdom. But often it is between a good choice and "Well, that seems like a good choice too, but, well, it might hurt somebody or..." But it's usually between good and I think that's good too. So the snake was telling the truth. He is living a live trying to please others to gain external praise and admiration, which he mistakenly thinks will bring him happiness. December 13th, 2020 . That's right. That's why it's right next to the tree of life. Every good thing in my life is matched by an equal or greater number of opportunities to ruin it by taking my own knowledge of good and bad. "No, you won't die. “Wow!” exclaimed the first little tree. Like you're just saying, like, you beat the game, you get the prize. That's a whole nother conversation. And now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.”. But in full vulnerability and intimacy, their otherness becomes mutual and one. “Oh no no no” criticized the first tree. The third pillar, the art of being self-responsible, is exemplified when the trees need water. Tim: Though sometimes some people pass the test. Genesis - Week 13. One spring they each grew several pink blossoms on their small branches. Tim: Exactly. That is the good thing for me. Don't eat from that because you'll die die. As she reached the top of the hillside, she smiled at the two apple trees. Tim: We shoot in the dark a lot of times. The first tree requires praise from the Gardner for his sense of purpose. When I was a new convert--having been brought from spiritual death to spiritual life--one of the things that I distinctly remember seeing with new eyes were trees. The first command is to eat of all the trees. Jon: Oh, yeah. The first tree looked over at the second tree. Tim: Tov and ra'. That's one. I start redefining it as good and I don't even know that I'm beginning to slight another person and neglect their wellbeing as much as I care about mine. Tim: That's right. I don’t have time to play with you!”. Seems like "I'm going to test you.". “My friend is sure a handsome tree. A Tale of Two trees At Mane Chance, we aim to care for our land as much as our animals - only then will we be able to give them the quality of home that they deserve. Jon: I mean, kind of you're going back and forth between referring to it as a test and referring to it as just kind of the human condition. This story is meant to illuminate the human condition while also explaining the choice before each of us. When the wind blows, the first tree is still concerned with his primary objectives in life of producing fruit. And we talked about how picture of a tree of life was a very common image for the imaginative palette, as you will, of the ancient Near East neighboring stories. It's not like, "Oh, man, I would really want to eat of the tree of life, but I think I want to hate my friend. And then you got, let's say, now a 12-year-old. Sparks flew and giant fireball shot into the sky. And then I start making decisions that seem good in my eyes. January 17th, 2020 . Yeah, brightening of eyes. God’s first command to humans is to enjoy the gift of life he wants to give them. In the book of Proverbs, every time it appears in Proverbs, it's a positive trait of the righteous and the wise. “It’s good that at least I have apples,” declared the first tree, “or else they would not want to visit us.”. So Let's send them out so they don't take from the tree of life and eat and live forever.". Tim: Yeah. Both trees, fulfilled by the Gardner’s visit, lived many happy years on the grassy hillside. Tim: I don't know what actually happened. The second tree looked across the valley. You're born into a scene where you're already set up to fail. It's always connected with children in a state of moral immaturity or just inexperienced in life. The first tree arrived at a carpenter's shop. The second tree shook with excitement. The Lord God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may surely eat; but from the tree of knowing good and bad you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”. The mighty second tree was cut down. Tim: But I think it's one that becomes much more clear as you go throughout the story. If you just look on a satellite image Google Maps today, you'll see a big brown stripe through that section with occasional spots of green and blue that are either mountains, oases, high places or river deltas. The two trees represent two … A human one with the Creator. Tim: We have in other videos and conversations talked about the scene. She took from the tree, and she ate. So we're back to Adam and Eve as royal priests. “My friend is amazing,” he admired. One tree seemed to exist in obscurity, but it and I had a long relationship. Now in the next episode, we talked about there are two specific trees in the garden narrative in Genesis 2. Well, ideally what tests are is they're showing what needs to be corrected. The word "test" in Hebrew, it's verb nasah. Sermon Description In this message, Pastor Louie Giglio from Passion City Church in Atlanta, GA shares a powerful sermon titled, "The Tale of Two Trees." Instead of asking for forgiveness, Adam and Eve avoid God and shift blame. So it's very important. So I kind of can understand that. "That's weird that God would say don't eat from that because... Jon: Having the ability to no good from bad is an attractive proposition? Tim: Yeah, correct. Strategic. It looks good, it meets a need, and I want it. And so God wants to shelter and protect the humans from good and bad until presumably they can learn wisdom from Him to become wise rulers over the garden. The permanently corrosive effects of taking from the tree are illuminated further at Mount Sinai, when Moses meets God at a tree (the burning bush) on a high place and receives God’s commands. Tim: Arum. The years went by. We usually meet right here. He gives her a chance. It's attractive. The way to eternal life is by keeping my hands off the tree of knowing good and bad. Our story begins back in the garden, the garden of Eden, that is. Genesis 3:1-6 So that's all the way back to one of our first videos. He became angry and shouted at the storm. Every good thing in my life is also matched by an equal or greater number of opportunities to ruin it. It's pretty cool. Oh, really? Consider the Palm tree with its straightness, the grape tree or vine with its abundant and luscious harvest, or the olive tree, which is a tree of light and anointing. Jon: Yeah, tie video will be about the tree by tree of life. So to know is to experience life versus death. “Why didn’t she visit last week, instead, when I had hundreds of apples on my branches?”. Whatever the test is in that character's life, the question will be, will they do what Adam and Eve did or will they resist the temptation to do whatever their version of taking of the knowledge of good and bad? • Read Books On Your Phone? Text: Genesis 2: 9; Revelation 22: 1-4 (esp. And enjoy all the rest." The second tree swayed his branches in the breeze. Tim: Game over. Because remember, when they're exiled in vs. 22, God says, "No, they become like us Elohim knowing good and bad. Here's a biblical way... Tim: A biblical take on the tree of life. We both had seasons in our lives where we made significant decisions, which at the moment seemed neutral. The first death in the Bible is not from God killing somebody, it's from a human who's taken the knowledge of good and bad into their own hands. Jon: Where they're supposed to go and eat of the tree of life. I just make what I think it's the right decision but I don't recognize it has all these screwed up motives underneath it. The second tree had no apples or leaves, but the children were still his friends. He played with the kids all afternoon. Who told you naked? “Wow” admired the second tree. There's overlap in that the point of testing in biblical Hebrew is to expose the truth about what something really is. The way trees exist in the world and the way that trees exist in this narrative is very similar. She's like, "No, it's ridiculous. 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